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July 17th, 2007 at 12:20 pm
I have gone through the Renegade Rapport course and I found that it really laid out everything in an easy to follow format, as well as it used examples and indepth theory to solidify the techniques. This course followed the trend of \”The Art Of Approaching\” by providing practical methods for practicing and applying the theory which was outlined. For me personally, this course has helped me to gain a more positive response from the majority of women who I \”target\”. I have tested the theories a lot while on the bus and at a bar and I am amazed at the responses, especially how open women open right up with me.
July 17th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
I remember being so hyped up about the course when I got it, and you mention that it was an intensive course, but I really had no idea. I had to listen to it, read it, and listen to it and read it so many times. There is just so much information in those audios that it got a bit overwhelming to tell you the truth.
In the beginning when I bought the course, I was using the techniques in school, and women would open up to me very easily, it was great. However… knowing that I could gain rapport with a woman without even talking to her, fed a limiting belief and thus, my approach anxiety came back and I stopped feeling the need to approach. So that sucked. And honestly, I’d put a little emphasis on that. Don’t use this course as an excuse no to approach!
Now on to the things that have completely changed the way I communicate and see people, and just my life in general. I’m a currently member of the Stylelife Academy, and I kept thinking how some of your teachings contradicted some of what I was learning, so, of course I talked about it with some of the coaches. I remember in an interview where you mentioned about breaking rapport, and vice versa. Well I finally got that part cleared in my head! You can break rapport with someone once you find out whether they’re an ideal match for you.
Now, what I’m about to say is probably the biggest thing of all, that has totally changed everything. The cardinal, #1, A, golden rule of rapport. What you feel, she feels, when you’re in rapport. Well, I was on a date a couple months ago and I remember sitting there feeling attracted to the girl. So what did I do, I went in for the kiss, being confident that she felt it too. We made out 30min into our first date, all because I followed that #1 ground rule.
What is more intense however, is that I have just started an exclusive relationship, and during that period when I couldn’t stop thinking about her, I knew she couldn’t either. I knew that she missed me as much as I missed her, etc. When I finally told her I loved her, I knew she felt the same way. I could literally feel the strong emotional connection I shared with her. I know this all because of what I learned from Reneagade Rapport.
It’s hilarious because now when I talk to someone, I immediately begin matching and mirroring them, and am aware of eye accessing cues, match their overall tempo, it’s crazy. This stuff takes time, and really complements everything else out there. So many guys get hung up in the banter, and that’s just part of it. The real meat is feeling that strong connection. Laughing the same way, at the same stuff, and really being enjoying each other. That only exists when the connection runs deep, and Renegade Rapport explain this.
Another thing that helped me tremendously. The last interview about core values was amazing. After listening to that, I began journaling, which really helped! I actually had a written conversation with myself on paper, convincing myself to go make an approach I really wanted to do.
The bottom line is, this course runs deep, and integrates well with so many things. Fair warning, you must listen, and read, over and over again, to really get the full benefits of this course. I didn’t do that for a while, so my progress was slow. But the more I came back to it, the higher quality women I brought into my life.
Lastly, the message said over and over again: LEAD. We as men must be leaders. Leaders are naturally attractive to women, so they will follow you if you confidently lead.
Anyway, there was so much good stuff, no wonder it wasn’t sold for long. Keep up the good work Joe.
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July 23rd, 2007 at 12:31 pm
I bought the course because it sounded interesting and plausible—plus it had a money-back guarantee, so my risk was not too great.
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There was one particular girl I wanted the first time I saw her, on stage performing. I felt a guilty that I wanted her, because I am 50, while she is 25, generous, funny, brilliant, supremely sexy, and stunningly beautiful.
I prefer younger women, because I want to get married and have children. However, my success rate with women in their 30s was low. I only succeed with woman in her 30s after she had known me as a friend for several years. Women in their 20s? I did not even try that! In this conservative town, you don’t see such pairs too often. Some women in their 30s explicitly would reject my advances and explain that obviously I was too old.
Anyway, despite seemingly insurmountable odds, I wanted to try my best to win her. If not, maybe I would learn something useful for a more reasonable attempt with another young girl. A few days after just one time listening to the material in the course, I found a way to talk to her and ask her out, and we dated several times. At first, she was dubious about me, but intrigued, because she always felt good around me without really understanding why. She is extremely cautious about men, so we went slowly at first.
A month later, in late April, she called herself my girlfriend. Now, we are making our marriage plans. She says she will be my trophy wife, and says our getting married is inevitable. She is really perfect for me, and I have become almost perfect for her. It is a dream come true—we are both so happy!
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As for the course, obviously I am totally pleased. As a fine point, I wish there was more information about how to practice and perfect visualization of emotional states. I don’t mind reading extra material—the course does not all have to be tapes.
I would like to have some ideas on what a reverse-gender version of the course would be so that I can help my ex-girlfriends find someone wonderful. I doubt that simply reversing the genders in the course is the best for helping a girl pick up and win the heart of a guy.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:31 am
Before RR:
One (quit) job and one (failed) marriage after undergrad, I decided to start off fresh by moving to a new city and entering grad school. During those couple or so idyllic years of school, I somehow managed to maintain a fairly steady stream of dates and girlfriends. But, just the same, I wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire with my mad pickup skills. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I knew that I was not doing as well as I might considering the target-rich environment I was in. And once I graduated, my suspicions were confirmed. A combination of fewer opportunities along with a lower success rate began to take a toll on my zest for life. And, yes, it’s all just a negative spiral from there.
It was during this period of floundering and searching for a better way that I stumbled upon the seduction community. I read all the Websites and subscribed to all the email newsletters I could find. Eventually, I started buying e-books, audios, and DVDs from a variety of sources, including Mystery Method, David D. and others. In fact, I probably went a bit overboard on the information acquisition. At the same time, however, I feel like I learned something of value from just about everything I studied.
My skills improved over the next 3-4 months, but my theoretical knowledge continued to outpace my field experience by a wide margin. Mostly, I was able to use my newfound knowledge to amp up the attraction with a few girls I already knew, which resulted in make-outs with a couple of girls and sex with one. I never was much into the bar/club scene, however, so I wasn’t getting the kind of experience I needed to perfect my cold approach skills and improve the consistency of my escalation skills. Plus, some of the stuff I was learning, such as many of the canned openers (I didn’t really give a shit about the answers so it usually came off badly) and negs (I never did get those right and ended up pissing off a few girls in the process), just didn’t feel congruent with my personality.
Why RR:
About five months into my journey, I learned about RR from JM’s email list. When I read the description of the program, I felt like it was describing an important missing piece of my game. I thought back to many of my past successes and realized that I was often able to move things forward with a girl because I had pre-established some kind of rapport – but usually built up over an extended period of time, like a semester at school. I was definitely interested in learning how to accelerate that process, and I was more that a little intrigued with the idea that I could generate rapport with a girl before I even approached her!
My thoughts about RR:
First of all, I was impressed with the appearance and quality of the materials, particularly the soft cover printed volumes. I have purchased other, more expensive products where the printed materials were hole-punched pages in a three-ring binder — kind of cheesy in my opinion, especially when something costs over $100 and isn’t hundreds of pages long (like a technical manual or something).
Overall, I was very happy with the quality and quantity of information in the course. Some of the more basic NLP stuff (e.g., matching and mirroring) I already knew, but I learned a shit-ton of stuff I didn’t know. That said, however, I have not extensively studied any of the NLP-heavy methods, such as Speed Seduction, so I can’t speak to any similarities or differences there.
(On a side note, I can definitely see how Speed Seduction might be very effective. But I’ve always had the impression that there was a heavy emphasis on the memorization and use of certain verbal patterns and phrases. Well, hell, I have a hard time remembering a few openers, so that pattern business seemed totally beyond me. But I did give it a try. Albeit very badly. And only once — something I found on the Web. Basically, the girl stopped me in the middle and said, “Why are you talking like that — are you trying to hypnotize me or something?” )
My favorite sections of the course were the interview with David Van Arrick, where you talked about state control and pacing and leading; and the interview with Sarkis, where you discussed the core values and ethics of using rapport technology.
In case it’s not obvious, one of the things I like most about this course is that it doesn’t require a bunch of memorization. Only the understanding and application of some basic principles. That is not to say, however, that rapport skills don’t require practice and experience to master. Which is where the workbook comes in perfectly. The exercises are detailed, easy to follow, and are clearly designed to help develop and hone core rapport skills. It is evident that a lot of thought went into making this course very informative on the one hand, and practical application-/field-oriented on the other. Well done.
After RR:
I have to admit that I started strong out of the gate, but have slacked off as other aspects of my life began to overwhelm me. I will say, though, that after my first pass through the material, I was very excited, not only because I wanted to get out there and apply the rapport concepts immediately, but also because it was actually possible to apply some of the concepts immediately.
Like I said, I am not big on going to regular bars and clubs, so I thought I would try my stuff out on some strippers first. It was a Wednesday night, and the strip club was pretty dead. Not many patrons and not many dancers. But, my waitress was cute (and a total sweetheart I discovered), so I decided to try some matching/mirroring, pacing/leading with her. I started out simply enough, just talking to her and trying to match her energy. There were some extra waitresses and not many customers, so after awhile, she started to get comfortable just sitting with me. Eventually, it just felt very natural to put my around her shoulders. I wanted to try pacing her breathing, but it was kind of dark and we were both pretty relaxed at this point, so it was very hard to see her breathing. I gently placed my free hand over heart (not her breasts), which she didn’t seem to mind, and used my hand to match my breath with hers (and to feel her heart energy). Very quickly, I started to feel a strong sense of connection. It was actually kind of a freaky. I started to stroke her hair, face, and neck. By now, her eyes were closed and she didn’t say a word or make any moves to stop anything I was doing. I felt like I could have gently turned her head and kissed her, but I didn’t want to push my luck. Plus, I later found out that she was engaged, so I was glad I didn’t try to escalate things any further.
I actually have another story that happened about a month later (same club) where I used similar rapport techniques and actually got a waitress (a different one) out of the club. We started making out in the club, and then, to my surprise, she all but invited me home. I was a dumbass, however, and suggested that we grab something to eat first. Long story short, I started getting really tired over breakfast, lost the energy, broke rapport, and never got another chance. She stopped working at the club about two months later, but it didn’t really matter. She pretty much kept her distance from me after that incident. Sigh. That could been my first-ever same-night-hired-gun-f-close.
Recommended changes:
Honestly, not many. The audio portion of the course could probably fit on fewer CDs — not sure what that was all about. And, well, heck, even though I really like the bound books, the course could even be made completely downloadable with PDFs and MP3s. It would save on production and shipping (and possibly inventory) costs.
As for the course itself, about the only thing I might suggest is swapping the David Van Arrick interview with the Rob S. interview in the recommended listening order. I thought David’s discussion was more advanced and powerful, so I almost felt like the Rob S. interview was taking a step backward in the progression of concepts.
February 19th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
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