Comments on: Announcing The Top 10 Pick Up Artists Of 2006! http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/ Dating Secrets For Men. Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:30:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: sargenation.com http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-1999 sargenation.com Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:37 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-1999 <strong>Who were the top PUA's of 2006?</strong> Thundercat reveals who he thinks were the top pua's this past year. Who were the top PUA’s of 2006?

Thundercat reveals who he thinks were the top pua’s this past year.

]]> By: Top Dating Coach of 2006 : The Attraction Chronicles Blog http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-634 Top Dating Coach of 2006 : The Attraction Chronicles Blog Thu, 25 Jan 2007 20:10:45 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-634 [...] Riding off Thundercat’s Top Pickup Artists of 2006, I thought that there is more to dating than picking up girls from boyfriends and taking them to bathrooms, so I thought the concept of an overall Dating Coach would be awesome. These are the best instructors based on performance, innovation, and content of advice. Remember, not the most popular perhaps, but the person of the year who has given the most relevant and useful advice for the improvement of YOU (that you’ve found to work), not particularly the whole community. [...] [...] Riding off Thundercat’s Top Pickup Artists of 2006, I thought that there is more to dating than picking up girls from boyfriends and taking them to bathrooms, so I thought the concept of an overall Dating Coach would be awesome. These are the best instructors based on performance, innovation, and content of advice. Remember, not the most popular perhaps, but the person of the year who has given the most relevant and useful advice for the improvement of YOU (that you’ve found to work), not particularly the whole community. [...]

]]> By: Karl http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-490 Karl Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:30:36 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-490 Thundercat, What happened to Shark AKA Ranko Magami? He has been on your honorable mentions for years, but now he's gone, while Badboy is still there. Is it because you have taken sides with Badboy against Ranko? Thundercat,

What happened to Shark AKA Ranko Magami? He has been on your honorable mentions for years, but now he’s gone, while Badboy is still there. Is it because you have taken sides with Badboy against Ranko?

]]> By: DavidBowie http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-418 DavidBowie Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:51:27 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-418 Nice List. In my own personal opinion, I'd have to agree with Sinn regarding Mehow. For example, based on reading his posts, Mehow does have a good understanding of game. However, as admitted in his own posts, he finally got his first lay using Mystery Method sometime in 2006. It appears he has good flash game, but still needs more full closes to be a top PUA. Also, regarding Dr. Paul, I wonder about his integrity. For example, he misrepresents his system in claiming it is patented. That aside, thanks for the list, not only is it good, but the controversy is also fun. Nice List. In my own personal opinion, I’d have to agree with Sinn regarding Mehow. For example, based on reading his posts, Mehow does have a good understanding of game. However, as admitted in his own posts, he finally got his first lay using Mystery Method sometime in 2006. It appears he has good flash game, but still needs more full closes to be a top PUA.

Also, regarding Dr. Paul, I wonder about his integrity. For example, he misrepresents his system in claiming it is patented.

That aside, thanks for the list, not only is it good, but the controversy is also fun.

]]> By: Cult of Secrets » Gigantus Intro Post http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-390 Cult of Secrets » Gigantus Intro Post Sat, 06 Jan 2007 16:02:15 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-390 [...] Joseph Matthew’s Approaching Women - Another Seduction Blog, Bookmarked on the topic of Top 10 PUA of 2006. NFE. The Attraction Chronicles - Yet another Seduction Blog. NFE. [...] [...] Joseph Matthew’s Approaching Women - Another Seduction Blog, Bookmarked on the topic of Top 10 PUA of 2006. NFE. The Attraction Chronicles - Yet another Seduction Blog. NFE. [...]

]]> By: Q-Pid http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-385 Q-Pid Fri, 05 Jan 2007 04:40:34 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-385 I voted for Juggler. So did a lot of people by the looks of things! I voted for Juggler. So did a lot of people by the looks of things!

]]> By: attractionchronicles http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-374 attractionchronicles Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:18:44 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-374 Interesting take Sinn. I remember Mehow wrote about 9 months ago in Mystery's lounge saying something along the lines of producing a website so that people would be referred back to the Mystery Method VAH. "I'm not out to make money." As I recall. But Mehow went and created ANOTHER seduction company teaching the same stuff (with the evidence I have). It's not the making money aspect, or the startup, its all about the fact that it's really not original material. Nobody's doubting Mehow's ability to use MM, we know you're good at that (atleast that's what some have said). Just don't try to market it as something else. Current.TV was all Mystery. I don't think we saw more than 20 seconds of Mehow. Having said that... good luck. I'm not trying to a dick about it all. I'm running the Top Dating Coach of 2006 on my blog, all who want, feel free to <a href="http://attraction-chronicles.blogspot.com/2006/12/top-dating-coach-of-2006.html" rel="nofollow">vote</a>. Mehow is a nominee =) Interesting take Sinn.

I remember Mehow wrote about 9 months ago in Mystery’s lounge saying something along the lines of producing a website so that people would be referred back to the Mystery Method VAH. “I’m not out to make money.” As I recall. But Mehow went and created ANOTHER seduction company teaching the same stuff (with the evidence I have). It’s not the making money aspect, or the startup, its all about the fact that it’s really not original material.

Nobody’s doubting Mehow’s ability to use MM, we know you’re good at that (atleast that’s what some have said). Just don’t try to market it as something else.

Current.TV was all Mystery. I don’t think we saw more than 20 seconds of Mehow.

Having said that… good luck. I’m not trying to a dick about it all.

I’m running the Top Dating Coach of 2006 on my blog, all who want, feel free to vote. Mehow is a nominee =)

]]> By: Sinn http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-373 Sinn Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:51:17 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-373 Please verify my address on this post so you guys know this is the real Sinn. Now onto Mehow. How exactly does using an attraction-comfort-seduction model differ from The Mystery Method? I haven't taught a boot camp in a week and a half, but that sequence sounds strikingly similar to what you and I were both taught quite a while ago, Mehow... in a Mystery Method boot camp. I think that you may have confused the underlying structure of a courtship for routines that have been passed around the community. I don't mean to phrase this as an attack, but that's a mistake I hear from students who take a 1-on-1 or a phone consultation from us. It's not the routines and lines that saw The Mystery Method written up in Elle, the New York Times, Marie Claire, and the LA Times. The routines are training wheels. What any successful Mystery Method student understands-- and I would think as a self-professed guru you would understand this-- is that one of the most powerful lessons men can learn from The Mystery Method is, in fact, the structure and the impetus to forge an attractive identity. Also why do you post videos of you demonstrating game that is not what your potential students will be learning? I suspect that disparity would lead to confusion on the part of students in the best case scenario, and indignation in the worst. If your structure varies so much from The Mystery Method structure, why not show off your new structure? I mean, as it stands, you're just taking up a weird defensive posture that asks a very obvious question with what seems a shifty answer. Look at it this way: we reveal The Mystery Method structure on our website openly. It's been around for years and years. And we are currently the leading commercial pick-up company. As an elder company to a younger one, trust those who have walked the road before you: revealing that structure can only help you, not hurt. Even the subtleties I sometimes debate with more inner-game focused commercial PUA companies are not present. You are still running attraction routines, rather than assuming attraction. You disqualify, then qualify. I apologize if I'm being obtuse, Mehow. Again, unveiling a more nuanced look at your structure would be far more illuminating. As it is, I can't help but feel the only differences between your product and The Mystery Method are in the routines (i.e. training wheels) our respective companies teach. Instead of making sweeping claims and hiding under a cloak of corporate secrecy, help me... actually never mind me, help your potential customers understand the difference between your product and The Mystery Method, so they can take the Pepsi Challenge on their own terms. Also why the term "community press comps"? I dislike maintaining the barrier between "the community" and everyone else. I don't even know what the community press is, to be honest. If some guy wants to see what we're made of, and he can't make it to one of my boot camps, then grab a beer with him and show him I'm not a charlatan. It seems disingenuous to insinuate you are having actual press relations when the only reason you have been approached by media besides Current TV* is because you pay a PR firm. (For those who don't know, this is who you are referred to in the link on Mehow's site regarding "media relations.") It's not that I have a problem with using a PR firm. I think it's a great idea. It's just that waving your arms frantically and screaming on the ground doesn't mean you're flying. You pay people to talk to you and say nice things later; that's hardly a crime, but it's also not a good pretext to what is finally a rather personal and emotionally sensitive teaching process. You even mention interweaving grounding routines on your website, when it was on this very site that Mystery first wrote up his piece on grounding routines. I couldn't find it on Thundercat's site, but we included it in the VAH. Regrettably, I'm in Las Vegas with Future, Tenmagnet, and Neo, so I don't have access to my home computer. When I get home, I'll post a screenshot taken in the fall of 2006 where Mehow himself admits on fastseduction.com that he was able to seal the deal only once after his boot camp. While one's first lay with The Mystery Method is always exhilarating, I think it's presumption to start a seduction company after one woman shared her body with you. Sadly, it has to be a screenshot since Mehow changed his year-in-review early last year, both on fastseduction.com and Mystery's Lounge... shortly before he went commercial. Our moderators can easily produce proof of when he edited the post; it was shortly before mehow.tv went online. I don't know how extensive Formhandle's logs and archives are, so I won't speak for his ability to do the same. If you want to steal our system, Mehow, that's fine. Your success is our success. It would be stupid for me to criticize your flash game. (Although I suspect Future could teach you a thing or fifty about comfort) But it's a chickenshit move to become an excellent student, then a Mystery Method instructor, then run off claiming you've discovered some new mastery theory of pick-up. All this community has is ideas. We can't truly patent any of them. But the ideas you ripped off were Mystery Method ideas, and all you've done is rebranded them and sold them under a counterfeit brand. Very fucking manly. * - I think it's a mistake to count the Current TV piece as yours since they were interviewing you as an instructor with The Mystery Method, not as a solo act or a separate brand.) Please verify my address on this post so you guys know this is the real Sinn.

Now onto Mehow. How exactly does using an attraction-comfort-seduction model differ from The Mystery Method? I haven’t taught a boot camp in a week and a half, but that sequence sounds strikingly similar to what you and I were both taught quite a while ago, Mehow… in a Mystery Method boot camp.

I think that you may have confused the underlying structure of a courtship for routines that have been passed around the community. I don’t mean to phrase this as an attack, but that’s a mistake I hear from students who take a 1-on-1 or a phone consultation from us. It’s not the routines and lines that saw The Mystery Method written up in Elle, the New York Times, Marie Claire, and the LA Times. The routines are training wheels. What any successful Mystery Method student understands– and I would think as a self-professed guru you would understand this– is that one of the most powerful lessons men can learn from The Mystery Method is, in fact, the structure and the impetus to forge an attractive identity.

Also why do you post videos of you demonstrating game that is not what your potential students will be learning? I suspect that disparity would lead to confusion on the part of students in the best case scenario, and indignation in the worst.

If your structure varies so much from The Mystery Method structure, why not show off your new structure? I mean, as it stands, you’re just taking up a weird defensive posture that asks a very obvious question with what seems a shifty answer. Look at it this way: we reveal The Mystery Method structure on our website openly. It’s been around for years and years. And we are currently the leading commercial pick-up company. As an elder company to a younger one, trust those who have walked the road before you: revealing that structure can only help you, not hurt.

Even the subtleties I sometimes debate with more inner-game focused commercial PUA companies are not present. You are still running attraction routines, rather than assuming attraction. You disqualify, then qualify. I apologize if I’m being obtuse, Mehow. Again, unveiling a more nuanced look at your structure would be far more illuminating. As it is, I can’t help but feel the only differences between your product and The Mystery Method are in the routines (i.e. training wheels) our respective companies teach.

Instead of making sweeping claims and hiding under a cloak of corporate secrecy, help me… actually never mind me, help your potential customers understand the difference between your product and The Mystery Method, so they can take the Pepsi Challenge on their own terms.

Also why the term “community press comps”? I dislike maintaining the barrier between “the community” and everyone else. I don’t even know what the community press is, to be honest. If some guy wants to see what we’re made of, and he can’t make it to one of my boot camps, then grab a beer with him and show him I’m not a charlatan. It seems disingenuous to insinuate you are having actual press relations when the only reason you have been approached by media besides Current TV* is because you pay a PR firm. (For those who don’t know, this is who you are referred to in the link on Mehow’s site regarding “media relations.”) It’s not that I have a problem with using a PR firm. I think it’s a great idea. It’s just that waving your arms frantically and screaming on the ground doesn’t mean you’re flying. You pay people to talk to you and say nice things later; that’s hardly a crime, but it’s also not a good pretext to what is finally a rather personal and emotionally sensitive teaching process.

You even mention interweaving grounding routines on your website, when it was on this very site that Mystery first wrote up his piece on grounding routines. I couldn’t find it on Thundercat’s site, but we included it in the VAH.

Regrettably, I’m in Las Vegas with Future, Tenmagnet, and Neo, so I don’t have access to my home computer. When I get home, I’ll post a screenshot taken in the fall of 2006 where Mehow himself admits on fastseduction.com that he was able to seal the deal only once after his boot camp. While one’s first lay with The Mystery Method is always exhilarating, I think it’s presumption to start a seduction company after one woman shared her body with you.

Sadly, it has to be a screenshot since Mehow changed his year-in-review early last year, both on fastseduction.com and Mystery’s Lounge… shortly before he went commercial. Our moderators can easily produce proof of when he edited the post; it was shortly before mehow.tv went online. I don’t know how extensive Formhandle’s logs and archives are, so I won’t speak for his ability to do the same.

If you want to steal our system, Mehow, that’s fine. Your success is our success. It would be stupid for me to criticize your flash game. (Although I suspect Future could teach you a thing or fifty about comfort) But it’s a chickenshit move to become an excellent student, then a Mystery Method instructor, then run off claiming you’ve discovered some new mastery theory of pick-up. All this community has is ideas. We can’t truly patent any of them. But the ideas you ripped off were Mystery Method ideas, and all you’ve done is rebranded them and sold them under a counterfeit brand. Very fucking manly.

* - I think it’s a mistake to count the Current TV piece as yours since they were interviewing you as an instructor with The Mystery Method, not as a solo act or a separate brand.)

]]> By: Sting http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-371 Sting Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:47:16 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-371 Hi TC, haven't been to your place for ages - how've you been. congratulations on the new look - the signing in is welcome and the tone has a better sound to it. the annual top 10 is a fun thing - and shouldn't be taken too seriously. the only way to be objective about such an item is to see ALL the top candidates (as known through hearsay), in a VARIETY of enviornments (day game, club game, dentist waiting room game) on MULTIPLE occasions for each in every enviornment. on top of that, a judge would have to weigh results subjectively. who's better - a guy who gets 3 kiss closes or 10 #closes? who's better - a guy who does lots of ONS' or a guy who builds up each up each lay to a STR or LTR? nobody could do that - i'm just happy to enjoy this without getting too into it. IMO - its the best all around list you've put together so far. couple of comments and suggestions - - haven't heard about Swinggcat in ages. hope he has a day job - i wouldn't count on an old e-book and a CD program in competition with all the other CD programs out there to hold his condom costs, let alone pay the rent. - i wouldn't have held Mystery's lack of innovations against him. he's found a way that works consistently for him and has done for a long time - innovations for innovations sake don't have much value. does his un-changed teachings still pack punch? - would have been my final question on deciding his ranking. - Sinn posted about Microocalibration, IMO the most comprehensive review of all social dynamics, not just PU. don't know when it was invented or who by - thats a point in his or Mystery's favour for your rankings. - if your going on hearsay about someone's abilities (Mehow) than be sure to check out Brent. his prices and reviews, are through the roof. cheerio and happy new year, Sting Hi TC,
haven’t been to your place for ages - how’ve you been.
congratulations on the new look - the signing in is welcome and the tone has a better sound to it.

the annual top 10 is a fun thing - and shouldn’t be taken too seriously. the only way to be objective about such an item is to see ALL the top candidates (as known through hearsay), in a VARIETY of enviornments (day game, club game, dentist waiting room game) on MULTIPLE occasions for each in every enviornment.
on top of that, a judge would have to weigh results subjectively. who’s better - a guy who gets 3 kiss closes or 10 #closes? who’s better - a guy who does lots of ONS’ or a guy who builds up each up each lay to a STR or LTR?
nobody could do that - i’m just happy to enjoy this without getting too into it.

IMO - its the best all around list you’ve put together so far. couple of comments and suggestions -

- haven’t heard about Swinggcat in ages. hope he has a day job - i wouldn’t count on an old e-book and a CD program in competition with all the other CD programs out there to hold his condom costs, let alone pay the rent.

- i wouldn’t have held Mystery’s lack of innovations against him. he’s found a way that works consistently for him and has done for a long time - innovations for innovations sake don’t have much value. does his un-changed teachings still pack punch? - would have been my final question on deciding his ranking.

- Sinn posted about Microocalibration, IMO the most comprehensive review of all social dynamics, not just PU. don’t know when it was invented or who by - thats a point in his or Mystery’s favour for your rankings.

- if your going on hearsay about someone’s abilities (Mehow) than be sure to check out Brent. his prices and reviews, are through the roof.

cheerio and happy new year,
Sting

]]> By: seldomseen http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-369 seldomseen Tue, 02 Jan 2007 05:50:00 +0000 http://www.artofapproaching.com/blog/2006/12/29/announcing-the-top-10-pick-up-artists-of-2007/#comment-369 Hmmm no Brad P, and seriously no Woodhaven? Why were these names left out? Hmmm no Brad P, and seriously no Woodhaven? Why were these names left out?

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